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On the left side, it has a pull down so that I can change the date of the install only 2 days at a time and the time that I'd like to do it. The right side has an Install Now button. The Windows icon in the notification area is gone. Download Win 10 but don't install it. Wait 2 days and you'll see the window. For me it pops up several minutes after the PC finishes booting.
It will self-install Win 10 in an hour and shows the count-down. Bill - It sounds like your PC might have inadvertently installed the special "Upgrade to Windows 10" update which puts your PC into a mode like you describe. It is possible for this optional update to be automatically selected and installed without your consent, although I don't think we know the complete array of scenarios where this occurs.
Unfortunately GWX Control Panel can't help you once things get to this point; Microsoft's already made changes to your system that I don't know how to reverse yet.
My program can prevent your computer from entering this state if you use all its "disable" features before the "Upgrade to Windows 10" update is applied, but it can't back you out if you're already in this "impending upgrade" mode. I've heard from one other person who's in a similar situation, and I'm going to try to take some time to look into this more over the weekend. There might be something I can do, but it will require an update to my program if I figure out a solution.
Also, if you have already removed the hidden Windows 10 install folder, I don't know what will happen if you let things proceed. Will Windows re-download Windows 10, or will it just abort and let you keep Windows 7? I might try to experiment with this too. Do you want to see it some how? I delayed again for another 2 days.
Didn't even turn on the PC yesterday. Bill - Can you upload the image to a free image sharing site like imgur. I was referred to you by Woody for advice on how to remove the Windows 10 upgrade from blocking my Windows update. I followed another blogger's advice and did the following: I checked Windows update and found KB on the installed updates list and uninstalled it.
I made the mistake of rebooting before going to disk cleanup. Once rebooted, I did go there and eliminated temporary internet files and some gaming files that I don't use. It took awhile to reboot again, but I'm finally back on.
KB no longer shows up on the Windows update installed list. The upgrade icon no longer shows up on the system tray. However, when I go to Windows Update, it still shows the box that says Windows 10 Upgrade is ready to install. This, apparently, is blocking my normal Windows update. If I were to download and use the GWX control panel, would that be able to fix it?
I appreciate your advice and thank you. I don't know what to tell you. The nag shows up around 10 minutes after the boot-up is finished. I just reschedule it for 2 days later. I noticed that the KB Someone mentioned in a blog or whatever it was about two other KB files but I never found them. All I want to do is get rid of the nag screen, but I haven't been able to do it or find someone who has or even mentions the nag screen.
My computer just kept slowing down and I suspected that the software trying to get me to upgrade to win 10 was partly responsible as it got more and more insistent.
The software works perfectly and my computer is back to normal. Many, many thanks!!!!! Hello Josh, my friend Woody advised I contact you.
I'm stuck in the final loop of the Windows 10 upgrade cycle. Can't get rid of it. When booting up I get a box telling me W10 is going to install in I can only postpone this by "Rescheduling" to 72hrs later.
If, by accident, I get called away from my computer from more than 1 hour when this box pops up W10 will install. Meanwhile Windows Update blocked by the W10 upgrade. I read somewhere that if you removed the W10 download as I did which is why GWX can't find anything and you just let this countdown come to zero If you use my program's "disable" features at first sight of the "Get Windows 10" icon, it can prevent Windows from forcing you to update, but once you start seeing these dialogs saying you can only postpone the upgrade or install now, I don't know how to fix that yet.
I am looking into it, but I will have to update my program to be able to fix the problem once I know how. As to your second question, I don't have the answer: It's possible Win 10 won't install if you've already deleted the 6GB hidden install directory- but it's also possible Windows will just re-download it and force you to upgrade. This is another thing I am looking into, but don't have the answer yet.
Thank you for your quick reply. I know I'm not the only with this problem and I hope you'll be able to find a fix. Shame on Microsoft. Hi UO, I think this tool is very helpful to handel the problem Windoes causes! But: I ave download the prog and try to start: sometimes it starts, sometimes not, i. Couls you gelp with a solution or hint, what the reason could be: other running programmes, anything else? Robert- Sorry, I meant to reply to this yesterday.
What you describes sounds like a possible problem with window positioning? The program should appear in the center of your viewing area. Hi UO and thanks for hints, but doesn't work for me. Have done so and the pgramme apperas once OK, after shut down it never agein, although the key in registry still not exists. Try starting after booting the system: no success. Download the exe file again and start it from download folder I have to indorm: the first downloaded exe file I put in a folder in programmes, i.
It seems I would have to to the following things wishing start it: - boot the system - download the exe file, i. But the question is: does it work regarding the settings?
Like in autostart och system service? Or is it just doing its job en then exits? SL - No, it doesn't install anything. Any actions the program performs are only done while it's running, upon your request. If I ever have to add a feature that requires some process to be running in the background in order to be effective, I will be very clear about that- and will make it an optional feature. First off let me say I donated you 2 dollars at Paypal, and when I grow up I wanna be just like you.
The nagging thing about the windows 10 updates and I foolishly selected the reserve a copy button some months ago is that it's a war. I looked at the "Update log" Near the top if you go in windows and order things by "Date Modified" and since September 19 now 25 days it is 1. Just yesterday I managed to find some Protools files, where I had been working on some pop music Then last night remember it was less than 24 hours after clearing those 4.
Of course when restarted, my drive space was back up to 1. Before shutting down, that went back up to 3. This morning again I logged on and found 2.
So since this has been ongoing I made a plan to solve this space problem making a "Copied files to delete" Library, and a new folder on my desktop, where I also found some other things I could delete. I have now copied over 5 GB into that file folder today, to delete later when necessary.
This is the only way I can stop the machine from continually eating up my disk space. This as I said is a war. Going beyond spying, which I am sure they are also doing with their new 10 update. I have used Group Policy Editor to shut that off.
Thanks, JohnD. If I do a rollback of Windows 10 to a previous Windows version, do I still have to use GWX Control panel to prevent The Windows 10 update to reappear again or does Microsoft understand that I don't want it and then disable the upgrade for me? Hi Josh - Thanks for creating the app - a great service to the community! I was wondering - have you had a chance to do that yet, and if so is there anything useful to know? I'd love to free up the space on my HDD. Thanks - Adam. It can mean that the Windows Update control panel can potentially change to the mode where it defaults to upgrading Windows 10, but it can also mean that Windows is set up to allow the background downloads of Windows If either or both of those settings are found to be enabled, you'll get that result.
The policy editor change you made only handles half of the equation. There was a recent update that replaces the entire Windows Update package on Windows 7 and 8 it's basically a fresh new install of Windows Update and it undid a couple of GWX Control Panel settings the ones mentioned in my comment above this one. I might end up having to make a "background" version of the control panel that watches out for these unexpected changes, but for now I do recommend you check GWX Control Panel at least once a week unless you disable your Automatic Windows Updates, since the updates are what potentially change your settings.
I don't have plans to remove the directory as part of the tool; but also don't yet know what the effects of a manual removal are. I had a similar problem way back at the beginning of August and posed a question in the Microsoft Community forums. Andrei Stoica provided me with a solution and I have had no problems since. Here is the link for all concerned. I'd also agree that possibly the registry tweaks mentioned in the link above post by Hyam Miller may be able to be integrated into GWX Control Panel as a way for those who are "past the point of no return" to stop the Win 10 upgrade from proceeding.
Click Start, Type Disk Cleanup in the search box, run it and select your boot drive normally c:. For best results click the rest of the boxes as well. Overall, it can be a good thing to run once and awhile on your system. Be advised that if you do check all of the boxes your system may appear to hang on reboot on a "configuring windows update" screen and also on a Cleaning Up" screen. If this happens, don't worry.
The system is just cleaning up and will be back to normal in a while. Win 8 or 8. Once you've suffered through the delay, your system should run better as you've removed a lot of the unneeded files that waste space on your boot drive.
Hyam and Chuck - Thank you both for the helpful comments. I am gearing up to do some deeper investigation into these matters and have noted your suggestions. Good Work! A lot to read. I find that using your control panel and disabling Win 10 upgrade, my Win 7 "seems" to be running "smoother" again.
Just a question, by disabling "Windows updates" will this compromise computer security? I already have an antivirus program. I downloaded this and did what it said. Thought my problem was solved. When i went to download my updates Windows 10 upgrade still tired to install.
Lucy - There are still a couple of specific situations that my program unfortunately can't yet fix. Are you seeing something different from the pictures shown there? If so, I'd like to know exactly what kind of behavior you're seeing, please? Looks like Microsoft is now calling this a "mistake". Chuck - I approve of your use of quotation marks there. What exact error message or behavior are you getting? Thanks for a helpful tool. Both folders will force you to find a way to change permissions which I haven't figured out yet.
I've popped a shortcut to GWX Control Panel in my Startup folder, no harm in running it daily for a while till this mess is sorted out. This forced upgrade is the kind of thing I'd expect from Apple, not from Microsoft, but things change.
Ultimate Outsider -- Something along the lines of "this program is not compatible The PC in question is one that I sometimes remotely "administer" for a non-techie friend who has a day job and is sleeping now Does your program use the latest and greatest version of the. Net framework? That might be an issue I am not sure what the GP change modifies in the Registry if anything.
I did this. Then restarted my compute. I noticed my windows 7 updates were installed expect 3. When i went to install the updates the last 3. I got the normal screen for windows 7 updates. When i click to install them.
The white Upgrade 10 Pro came up. So i clicked stop. So that is what I'M getting. So i can't click my Windows updates on because I'M scared my system will upgrade. Thank you for creating and sharing this great tool. I ran it and it worked perfectly. I have had to research every new update to make sure I am not inadvertently installing any of them.
Can I stop doing that now? Josh, Thanks for this great app. It did remove the Win 10 icon from the system tray, and I no longer see a request to upgrade to Win 10 when I open Windows Update.
I get the regular screen where I can select updates. However, no matter what updates I select, as soon as I select to install updates, it starts downloading Win 10 upgrade files.
There is no Win 10 Upgrade option listed among the updates. It is apparently forced to be included with no warning or option to remove. It does announce that it is downloading Win 10, and so far I have canceled there before I got to the ready to upgrade screen of no return. I hope you can find another setting that will take care of this. Lucy - You are not alone, and I am currently investigating how to get out of your particular situation. Check back here in a few days and hopefully I'll have a solution.
Mark - My comment to Lucy also applies to you. Hang tight, we're trying to figure this one out! Onyx - That's a good question, but unfortunately the current situation is that if you download Windows Updates now, you are always going to be at risk for getting new stuff that doesn't make your user experience better, but only helps Microsoft figure out new ways of getting you onto Windows I still cannot recommend disabling Windows Updates, because some of them truly are super-important security fixes that you don't want to miss.
The safest way to go is what you're probably doing now: Set Windows Updates to download the patches only, only get important updates, and then research the individual patches and choose which ones you actually install on your PC.
Also, I do not currently have any logic that specifically targets their telemetry features. It does request elevated permissions when launched, which might be an issue with some remote clients, since that temporarily overrides portions of the Windows UI. Also the user account launching the process needs Admin rights.
Didn't help! Ultimate Outsider Okay thank you. I'll check back. Some people keep telling me that Windows 10 can't upgrade on to your computer unless you ask it to.
Bull crap. I hope you can find something to help the problem. Ultimate Outsider, thank you for your kind reply, and thanks again for sharing your great work. Your efforts are very much appreciated.
Thanks so much. We feel helpless against Microsoft, and we really appreciate someone with your knowledge trying to help us out. I will keep checking back. Ultimate Outsider, I am using TeamViewer. The owner of the laptop runs with Admin privs i. I used her login to install Classic Shell via TeamViewer--no issues.
The only problem popped up on the AMD Win8. Thank you for sharing your time and talent with us. Win10 bit the dust last night and I am free of torment. I am going to pay it forward in your name and infoworld's Chuck Orton's suggestion above worked like a charm. Chuck Orton! I did the disc clean up. I just tried. It's asking me for Administrator permissions. Even though I should already have privileges, I've tried modifying the security properties but it still won't take.
Anybody have any thoughts? Lucy, You essentially have to run the application twice. Run it the first time, and then when you get the results, look at the bottom of the box where it says "clean up system files.
It may take a few minutes. When it is done, check all of the boxes, on of them should be for the update. This is just the operating system giving you a chance to choose whether to allow the program to run. Just click Yes to proceed. If you are clicking yes and it's STILL not working, my first guess is it's because the user account you're running from is not an Administrator account. You can verify this in the User Accounts control panel. It should say "Administrator" under your account instead of "Standard user.
Ultimate Outsider: Apologies for being unspecific. It was my attempt to delete that folder to which I was referring Windows won't let me do it, no matter how much I reset my privileges. This is a private machine, and I am the only user. Thanks as always! Okay thanks i did scan a second time. Just a quick question: I still not able to do Window 7 Updates.
It wouldn't be safe doing it off of the Microsoft website? I would still get the Windows 10 Upgrade? I send Microsoft a comment on FB to tell them i'M not pleased with them "forcing" users to upgrade. They told me to PM them the problem. I tried everything to stop the nag box, but when I saw that 2 gig ready to download I was freaked out! Two local IT guys said there was nothing I could do, then I saw your link in a computerworld.
I tried it, it was so easy to use, and no more WIN 10 attempts to install. If you ever decide to rename the program again, I suggest "nuke windows 10". Have helped friends run this on about 6 computers now, all happy campers! I hope Scott Adams finds a way to mention your program in his Dilbert cartoon! Oh there nothing you can do to get rid of the Windows 10 upgrade?
I still wish i could download my updates but i can't because of the nagging Win If i could afford to i would buy an Apple lap top.. I will post a link to it here in the comments. Josh, I just tried again.
I ran the Windows Update fixit in administrator mode. I even downloaded the latest Windows Update client. Despite all that,I still get a message that Win 10 upgrade is downloading any time I run Windows Updates. I cancel as fast as I can. Curiously, it reports only the number of updates I checked, whereas the first time I did this last Thursday it had one more update the hidden Win 10 one. Anyway, it sounds like you are perhaps close to a solution, and I will look forward to that.
If you don't think there is a solution, I guess I could try doing a full disk restore to last Monday -- before the updates that led to these issues, and then use GWC Control Panel to turn off Win 10 icon and updates before I even open Windows Updates.
That is a big task, and I am not sure it will work anyway, so I will wait for a while to see if you come up with something. If you get to the point that it looks impossible, let us know and I might try that, or perhaps you can suggest some variation that is better. Thanks again for your help. This has really undermined my faith in Microsoft that they are causing this kind of behavior and not providing a fix themselves.
Many of us are so thankful for people like you with the expertise and willingness to assist. Mark and Lucy - Please check out this post. There's a link to the new beta version of the program, plus instructions on what to do and what to expect. Also, the download link to the beta version is in the "Instructions" section of that post I just linked to. It's not available from our main downloads page.
My PC is configured to notify but not install, and it's also configured NOT to get "recommended" updates the way that it gets "important" updates. I'm not sure what is triggering the affirmative answer to 3. I haven't seen any other signs of Windows 10 on my PC -- no nags, no notifications. But I'm still concerned about its report that Windows OS Upgrades are enabled; I don't see any other evidence of that.
Thank you. Marty- I'm faced with the problem of how to present the simplest possible user interface to represent something that's growing increasingly complicated the more I learn.
Assuming you're using version 1. This setting is not there by default the downloads are implicitly enabled , so while you may not have any of the actual Windows 10 upgrade tools on your PC yet, you're not explicitly blocking them yet either. If the field reads Yes and you don't do anything about it, are you definitely going to get the secret downloads? Possibly not- but that depends on a lot of things, including whether Microsoft thinks your computer will be compatible with Windows Using the "Disable OS upgrades in windows update" will put the change into place.
The next version of GWX Control Panel that goes up actually checks for many more traces of potential vulnerability or detected activity , so it will be even more likely to report "Yes" for that field, but this is just because I'm trying to cover all bases.
Hi and thanks for your hard work and for this marvellous little tool but I would appreciate your advice. I don't have the Windows10 download folder on my system. Would really appreciate some advice. While this could change in the future if Microsoft tweaks their patch to behave more aggressively , so far it's actually been more convenient for me to just let the patch install on my systems, and then disable it.
I don't have to cherry-pick or hide any updates; just let them install normally and then re-check my settings now and then. Regarding your second comment about not getting any new updates- if Windows update actually tells you "No important updates are available" then you are in good shape; you'll only see that if your computer is properly communicating with the update servers. If you're seeing something else, I'd like to know more details- and there's a chance the beta version of GWX Control Panel could actually help.
Thanks for your advice. What I see at the moment in Windows Update is "Windows is up to date. There are no available updates for your computer" and the "Upgrade to Windows 10" notice is not showing. Fingers crossed I'm safe. Thanks again. Josh, Regarding your reference to "a specific setting that prevents secret background operating system downloads", could you elaborate on that a bit without compromising your project?
I like to know what changes are being made to my machine when I run a utility, so if you could describe that "specific setting", I -- and probably others too -- would appreciate it. In any case, thank you for the splendid public service that you are providing. Regards, Marty. Marty, the setting is called "DisableOSUpgrade". There is information about it online. I went on my Fathers desktop that runs Win 7. I noticed i was able to do updates still normal with out the Windows 10 Upgrade.
I guess not all computers have that problem yet. I still may download the GWX Panel thing for when or if it does creep on. Darryl - Thanks, brother. Lucy - Yeah, some aspects of the Windows 10 upgrade push are still a little mysterious.
Microsoft has their own plan for when different computers will be affected, and how. Great work. I tried 1. I have rebooted several times and checked for Windows updates in the past 24h with no problems appearing. Thank you so much for your time and efforts for so many people who do not want something but it will be pushed down their throats. God Bless You. Anyway nice work so far. I used your new 1.
I had worked with Microsoft a week ago to no avail to remove it and they uninstalled KB and one other. Your code worked perfectly and I now have a normal looking WU panel. I also got back the notices about updates being available which I had not seen for months. Thank you for your efforts. Since the Get Windows 10 app is no longer on my pc, what do I have to do to get the Windows 10 update when I am ready? Fred - Thanks! If so that is very unusual; soon I'm going to add a feature that can save a snapshot of your settings, which you can mail me- this might help me figure out if I need to add any more protection to the program.
Search for the Microsoft article called "Installing Windows 10 using the media creation tool. Excellent program AND documentation. I totally agree with your comments regarding the design and methodology of the Get Windows 10 App. It just reverts to downloading Win I'm on Win 7 Pro and am a software delevoper.
NET with a ton of development stuff going back years. I've transfered WIn 7 Pro Retail licence to a few different machines over the years as well. This is probably not helping I suspect. I'll keep trying though as and when I get time. Thanks for the reply. You Da' Man! Most abundant thanks for your efforts to stop Windows I am so mad at Microsoft I cannot see straight. I uninstalled KB at least twice. Then I discovered the Get Windows 10 notification was back.
I am appalled at Microsoft's very unethical approach to invading my computer without my permission. Regardless of cost, my next computer will be a Mac. I have had it with Windows. Its buggy and requires constant maintenance. A user should not have have a computer engineering degree to operate their computer! This was interfering with the Win 10 updates and Win 7 downloads.
It was installed on my machine in July this year probably I suspect either by an Adobe update or Google. I am typing this having now installed all the Win 7 updates but have not yet re-booted. I will get back to you if this has cured the issue. My machine is now working correctly. The Win 7 updates are back to normal and the "Downloading Windows 10" has now dissapeared.
Hope this helps someone I have upgraded three other computers in my home to Win 10 and we all love Win Win10 is NOT the issue. The issue is MS forcing me to upgrade a box that I do not want to upgrade. Why I do not want to upgrade my own Win7 box ix my business, not MS's nor yours. Something that worked. Many thanks! Used it on all my Windows 7 computers ; it saves having to manually change the registry, which I try to avoid.
I have reset manually the pair of entries KickoffDownload and Refresh to , and now it seems stable even after reboot. I will continue to monitor the stability of the settings, though. On my test systems that aren't exhibiting any suspicious Win10 behaviors, that value is set to 1 while others are zeroed out. It probably wouldn't hurt to set it to 0 and I might end up doing that , but my initial approach was only to mess with settings where I had actually observed an effect by changing them.
Would be happy to hear if you ever figure out what that value actually does; none of this stuff is officially documented with any accuracy. Regarding KickoffDownload, my program can't set that to anything other than 0 and it doesn't currently have any post-reboot logic, so if that value changed to 2, it wasn't me. Also, I'm working on something that will hopefully save you the bother of having to re-check this stuff manually This folder was created on JUL, the day Windows 10 was released, so I think it is the Windows 10 installation files.
Kevin - Interestingly, I was researching that other folder over the weekend, and I had concluded that it would only exist on a computer that had already upgraded to Windows I haven't found it on any of my computers, and couldn't find anyone discussing it online who was still running Win 7 or Win 8. I believe that where the actual installer files go depends on the manner in which Win 10 is pushed to your PC.
Funny enough I actually almost added detection of that folder over the weekend as a just-in-case sort of thing, but ended up focusing on other features. About 2 Saturdays ago 10th , I booted up and waited impatiently for the nag screen.
About 8 minutes later it showed up but in a different format. This time I got a simple delay until later or words to that effect on the left hand side of the nag. I certainly checked it. I have no idea how long this delay is going to be. I am very paranoid now LOL and don't leave the PC unattended for very long in case it should start the unwanted process. Ultimate Outsider. So far no one else here has reported on this folder in your blog's Comments. BTW, I typed its name incorrectly.
A search online for this folder name turned up quite a bit. According to one post the folder is created when running Microsoft's Media Creation Tool. This folder is not deleted by Windows' Disk Cleanup, so some people have deleted it manually without any ill effects.
Just great! Looking back thru protools found a stereo track from thats 3. Thats 3. Musta got called away. Goin in to do a clear unused now.. Hi, Mr Outsider. I've been using this excellent utility for quite a while on all my PCs and all of my clients machines, too - and it has always worked flawlessly. But this morning, when I went to view my outstanding updates in Control Panel on my Surface Pro Mk I, I was somewhat disconcerted to see the 'Windows 10 is coming soon' advert, with the 'Show all available updates' button beneath.
I immediately ran your tool and sure enough it says 'No' in all four boxes. I thought you'd like to know about this. I appreciate you don't want to say negative things about MS, as you have contacts there, but this upgrade pusher exhibits nearly all the symptoms of malware, and is regarded as such by many working in infosec.
As a knowledgeable power user I really, really resent having this pushed down my throat. Great work so far though. Karlos - Thanks! Blitterbug - I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you mean that your Windows Update control panel is still talking about Windows 10 even though GWX Control Panel is listing No for everything and thus not giving you any Disable options?
If so this is new behavior on Microsoft's part that I haven't experienced yet. Can you possibly give me a screenshot of what you're seeing in your control panel?
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